Giant Church Inc Resources All In One Place

It took three years to write this series. Not three years of actual writing, but that long to understand what happened to me and my family at Giant Church Inc, process it, pray through it, then gather the gumption to write it down.

Giant Church Inc changed us forever. This series tells part of that story. The truth is: there’s more to the story. First, we’re still in the middle of the hard work of healing, and still learning the language of how to communicate our experience.

Second, Giant Church Inc is still going strong, and nothing has changed. Certainly the pandemic changed the Sunday morning gatherings and all that goes along with it, but Giant Church Inc still performs, makes the deals, pushes the brand, and works to maintain control of its people. The response of Giant Church Inc to the pandemic has revealed its priorities and its dark side.

All In One

For now I will continue to educate the Church about toxic leadership and spiritual abuse. I will keep working at not being part of the problem, and I will encourage you to do the same. The plan going forward is to post once-a-month on Giant Church Inc issues to keep the conversation going and to promote further healing. My hope is to point us to Jesus, and help us keep our eyes fixed on Him.

I begin with this: a resource page with all the articles, books, authors, quotes, experts, blogs, and Jesus stories I used in the series.

In addition to my close friends and family, and all the others who’ve been the Church to me, several people influenced this series and gave me the courage and the language to write it.

Karen Swallow Prior, Rachel Held Evans, Wade Mullen, Julie Roys, Diane Langberg, Mark Galli, Dan Allender, Francis Chan, Chuck DeGroat, Rachael Denhollander, Kyle Strobel, and Jamin Goggin.

I urge you to learn from them. Read their books. Listen to the podcasts. Each one has caused me to love Jesus in a deeper way.

Then there are these: The Clutch-A Pelican Project Discussion Group and The Exiles. One is a group of diverse women who love Jesus, love the Church, and get together virtually. They are no less influential. In fact, it was a discussion in this very group that taught me not to be ashamed of my story.

The other group is a lifeline, a source of encouragement, love, and humor. We get together regularly, face to face. We eat and laugh together, and give each other hugs (when we’re not social distancing).

I thank God every day for them. I urge you to find a group of people who love Jesus, are learning to follow Him wholeheartedly, and are willing to take off the brilliant disguises we all like to wear.

Ultimately, we are better for our Giant Church Inc experience, and I want to help others be better for it. The way we are better for it is when we’ve learned the difference between following Jesus and following an institution, or a movement, or Christian culture, and pastors, a denomination, a theology, or political party. And when we’ve learned the difference, we do all we can to know Jesus, trust Him more and more, and love Him wholeheartedly. It’s a work of God, but we talk to Him. We abide. We surrender.

And when we forget or get distracted, we run back to Him and do it again. He’s a good and kind Father.

The headings below are the titles and links to each post within the series. My resources and their links are included underneath each heading. I ended each Giant Church Inc post with a Jesus story and include the scripture reference.

Why I Left Giant Church Inc

Megachurch definition: Hartford Institute for Religion Research

Julie Roys and her investigative work and journalism are a great resource.

Spiritual Abuse defined by Wade Mullen: In a podcast interview with Julie Roys on September 28, 2019, Dr. Wade Mullen, director of the M.Div. program at Capital Seminary and Graduate School, describes spiritual abuse as “an attempt by a person [group or organization] to use all that encompasses another person’s spiritual life – their beliefs, their faith, their experiences, and their hopes, to coerce or manipulate that other person into serving the abuser’s agenda.”

Jesus story: Matthew 11:28-30 CSB

Let’s Make a Deal at Giant Church Inc

Mark Galli, the recently retired editor in chief of Christianity Today, wrote in his series for the magazine called The Elusive Presence, “For some decades now….I’ve believed that American Christianity has been less and less interested in God as such, and more and more at doing good things for God. We’ve learned how to be effective for him, to the point that we don’t really need him any longer.” 

Once we have spent time in a particular belief system, especially in a “church” environment that demands massive contributions, unquestioned loyalty, absorbs all spare time and which forms the entire social network for people, most don’t have enough mental energy to figure out that something is terribly wrong.

Christy Thomas for Patheos

Jesus story: Matthew 21:12-13

The Great Escape From Giant Church Inc

Wade Mullen tweeted this: “Marshall McLuhan noted that the last thing a fish is likely to discover is the water it is swimming in. The water is so fundamental to the fish’s way of life that it is not seen or questioned. The organizational world is full of similar examples.” Gareth Morgan

D.L. Mayfield wrote an article for Sojourners titled This Is How We Let Abuse Thrive.

Jesus story: Matthew 9:36 NIV

Welcome to the Giant Church Inc Family

John Piper said, “All human beings are created to attach their tiny, little lives to something absolutely majestic and glorious so that their life takes on a sense of wonder and eternal significance. It takes on significance not because of who or what we are in ourselves, but because of how we’re attached to and participate in the life and purposes of the Creator of the universe.”

Diane Langberg on the power of culture: We typically accept the trappings of a culture without assessment. It just is what is. We are easily seduced by whatever culture we have marinated in. We imbibe it. We breathe it. It’s our oxygen. We are shaped by it and because the culture is simply what we know, we are blind to its aberrations. We not only ingest toxins, we transmit them to others.

Jesus story: Matthew 20:29-34 CSB

Until We Didn’t at Giant Church Inc

The injustice of one person against another cannot be contained. Injustice, no matter how seemingly private, always has public consequences.

Karen Swallow Prior, On Reading Well

Drew Hunter, a pastor in Indiana, in an article for Desiring God said this: “Most foundationally, you need friendship because you are inescapably communal. You are made in God’s image, and God is not solitary — he eternally exists as a triune fellowship of love. This is why “it is not good that the man should be alone” (Genesis 2:18). Our triune God made us to reflect him, and one beautiful implication is that we are wired for lives of relational fullness with other people.”

Dr. Eric Perry, PhD wrote about collective narcissism.

More about collective narcissism from Frontiers in Psychology.

In an informative podcast conversation between Dr. Dan Allender, PhD and Rachel Clinton, MDiv, they have this to say about it: “It’s a system that is more than hierarchical. The top dog does control, manipulate, have power over everyone else, and there is an immense amount of shame and fear that goes on in that organization. Spiritually abusive systems are often rigidly dogmatic, with an in-house language and a very rigid sense of who is “in” and who is “out.” In spiritually abusive situations, truth is perverted in order to bind people and keep them under control. The reality of brokenness in the world is amplified into a distrust of anyone on the outside, and community members are led to believe that questioning or challenging their leaders is a form of betrayal. This has deep and crucial intersections with the category of narcissism”  

From Ask Pastor John, May 2, 2018: “Jesus is better than the community of Jesus. Jesus will be there when the community of Jesus lets you down.” 

Jesus story: John 9:35-38 CSB

Giant Church Inc and Its Love of Power

Articles in Christianity Today and an investigative report in USA Today tell stories of abusive church leaders and the trail of damaged lives they’ve left behind.

Jamie Goggin and Kyle Strobel, along with several others I’ve read and listened to lately, agree: power is the issue. In their book, The Way of the Dragon or The Way of the Lamb: Searching for Jesus’ Path of Power in a Church that Has Abandoned It, Goggin and Strobel highlight the difference between worldly power and Christian power, the way from below and the way from above. They ask some thought provoking questions. What happens if the church rejects the power of Christ? What happens when Christians embody a worldly approach to power and try to use that to advance Christ’s kingdom?

Diane Langberg tweeted: Jesus, who was omnipotent, regresses to a human body. He goes back, He goes down, and He becomes small.  By our standards of success, even those adopted by much of the American church, Jesus would surely be deemed a failure.

Jesus story: Matthew 20:25-28 NIV

The Lingo of Giant Church Inc

For more on the language of spiritual abuse and other tactics used by abusers visit Wade Mullen here. From research and his own experiences, he writes about it with the hope of helping others spot abuse. Diane Langberg and Dan Allender are two more wonderful sources of information on spiritual abuse. This is an important topic and one worth educating yourself about.

Jesus story: Matthew 15:10-20 NLT

Do We Love God, Giant Church Inc?

Stephen McAlpine, a pastor in Perth, Australia, shared this definition of bullying on his blog:

A bully has a track record within an organisation that follows a particular and repeated pattern.  This includes gas-lighting, shaming, reframing narratives, isolating individuals, misuse of Scripture to excuse themselves or blame the victim, and then covering their tracks through half-truths or lies. This is exacerbated by a compliant, willfully blind, or cowardly management structure within which that person is working, that, instead of reprimanding or sacking the bully, allows them to continue their work at the expense of the victim.

In a recent blog post, Matthew Mason made a true and bold statement about church leaders who abuse their power. 

The deepest scandal of these men’s lives and ministries is, in fact, not that they have hurt and damaged people (dreadful and inexcusable as that is). The deepest scandal is that although they claimed to speak God’s truth on God’s behalf, in their bullying abuse of their positions of power they have revealed that they are liars. Liars about God.

Living by Promises blog by Matthew Mason

Jesus story: Luke 18:10-14

Giant Church Inc: Dazed and Confused

A primary goal of a cover-up is to define the situation for others so they cannot define it for themselves. This requires managing the flow of information and preventing others from acquiring details that would challenge the definition that is being given to them. Wade Mullen on Twitter

When I learned of Chuck DeGroat’s book, I had no idea how important it would be to my own healing journey and to the series. I was part of the book launch team and I can say with confidence that the relationships formed, the stories shared, and the author’s graciousness, knowledge, and humility were instrumental in how I finished the series.

Because narcissistic leaders prefer power over empowerment, they do not provide staff with clarity of vision or job description. They’re constantly shifting expectations and changing roles/structures to achieve their impossible dream of control.

Chuck DeGroat in When Narcissism Comes To Church

Jesus story: Mark 10:17-22 CSB

What Now, Giant Church Inc?

It should not feel out of the ordinary, harsh, or inappropriate to call the Church to change. Nor should we imagine that our unique expression of Church is the only one God sanctions. Instead, we should be constantly seeking renewal, being ready at any moment to discard the elements of Church that lead us away from God’s heart rather than toward it.

May God forgive us for building our church empires on the foundation of our own arrogance. 

Francis Chan in Letters to the Church

 Chuck DeGroat wrote, “Whole church systems and programs evolve within the waters of narcissism, and when it’s the water you swim in, it’s hard to see and even harder to confront.”

Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel ask these questions in their book, The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb. “What would it look like to embrace Jesus’ vision for leadership? What would it look like to put off the obsession with worldly value of power and prestige? What would it look like to have healthy leaders as opposed to toxic ones?”

They give these descriptions of a pastor who clings to Jesus and His way:

  • The pastor gives their life for the sake of the church, regardless of what they gain.
  • The pastor views ministry as an arena of love and service.
  • The pastor embraces their congregation as people to know and love, not tools to use for other ends.
  • The pastor views prayer and care as the centerpiece of their work, rather than an interruption.
  • The pastor views other pastors not as competition, but as fellow shepherds on the journey whom they need for encouragement and wisdom, and who they are called to encourage and love.

Narcissistic systems are not safe. Chuck DeGroat writes in When Narcissism Comes to Church, “I often recommend an organization called GRACE for church education and training, particularly for the sake of our children (see It is vital that churches stand vigilant for children, especially in the wake of recent public scandals….”

Jesus story: John 13:2-9 NIV

To continue reading the series, read #GiantChurchInc.

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  1. Dixie Schafer on May 2, 2020 at 3:12 pm

    This is what scares me about most Evangelicals & how subtly they can start out thinking they’re doing Christ’s work & then it switches to exactly what you’ve described.

    • marieg on May 2, 2020 at 3:59 pm

      Thank you for commenting, Dixie. It is essential that we follow Christ, not a church or a pastor or denomination or movement. We follow Jesus Christ. My hope is to point people to him and help us keep our eyes fixed on him.

  2. Kim on May 6, 2020 at 3:07 pm

    I just read all your blog posts in one sitting. I’m wrecked. This is our life and we are barely surviving! Thank you for putting words and understanding to what we’ve experienced. I can’t stop the cycle of thinking and rethinking and doubting and anger and…the list goes on and on. I need a group to heal from all of this

    • marieg on May 6, 2020 at 3:33 pm

      Kim, I’m sorry you have or are experiencing any of this. It’s been quite a painful path to healing, but God is doing it. He will do it for you too. I will pray with you to find people who can help you on your journey. In the meantime, consider listening to the podcasts by Diane Langberg or Dan Allender. They both have a comforting, pastoral disposition.

  3. Chicky Chick on May 28, 2020 at 12:16 pm

    I pray for all who have been so grievously injured by the actions of any Giant Church Inc institution. This series has been incredible, and I thank you for posting it — for being brave enough to do it. So many people need to read it, to know what’s going on, and to understand they are not alone in their pain, and that healing is available.
    I am doubly thankful my pastor meets the criteria Goggin and Strobel enumerate for a pastor who clings to Jesus. He’s not a perfect pastor, but he’ll also be the first to tell you that. He has been a blessing to our church.
    I’ll be honest: I considered going to the local Giant Church Inc for a weekday service a few times, and even participated in one of their small groups hosted by a friend. But something (some ONE!) always kept me from going, and now, I’m glad that was the case. I never could buy into that fervor for the church so many members displayed. Not fervor for Jesus, or telling people about Him, but for the church and the pastors. I’m suspicious by nature, and something about it all just made me very leery of the whole situation. It was just the complete antithesis of everything I am as a person.
    Keep fighting the good fight — because it is a good one. My prayers go with you!

    • marieg on May 28, 2020 at 1:03 pm

      Thank you Chicky Chick. I’m thankful God opened our eyes. I’m praying for the Church. To find our way back to our first love: Jesus Christ. May we fix our eyes and hearts on Him.

  4. Laura on August 20, 2021 at 6:40 pm

    Wow. Whoa. Just whoa. This was my life…given in marriage and 2 daughters for 19 years…and full time ministry for 5 years. I’m so grateful we finally got out. But the getting out was like birthing a baby…so long and painful. We tried one year…they reeled my ex back in…then the next year we tried again and made it out. That was in 2019. Then the after effects on my family still leaving us upended and dismayed. Now Divorced and free from the abuse that shaped my ex’s mindsets in his public and private life. I wish I’d never set foot in our church’s doors. I heard your story on flying free…which led me to your blog here. I would love to know how we can ever feel Safe in another church ever again ….how do I trust myself to recognize what I became so familiarized with for all those years? Where do we even start? How can we heal and yet grow in God when we don’t trust our sources? And how can we help our children grow when we are so harmed?

    • marieg on August 20, 2021 at 6:57 pm

      Laura, I am so sorry you experienced this. It’s a painful road. My encouragement to you is not to rush the process of feeling trust. God is a patient and tender Father. Diane Langberg was like a pastor to me right after we left our church. Her resources are wonderful. And if you’re in Flying Free or Flying Higher you have a great resource to help in the healing.

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